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- April 3, 2015 at 5:53 am #85300
Donn Hewes
KeymasterI have been thinking about blinders lately as I have been working with a couple young animals, and Neal and Beka’s piece in the newsletter helped me connect some new thoughts. All you members should have recently received a newsletter! Don’t forget to renew or join today.
For many years I have worked most of my horses and mules without blinders, and I can reiterate much of what they said. I have seen green animals react badly to things behind them, but I have also seen a horse with blinders reacted very badly when a surprise attack from a dog meant the horse was turned away from and lost sight of the dog as it passed behind the blinder. The dog actually was on the other side of a ditch and a fence, but all the horse “saw” was the dog making a heck of a racket and coming fast when last seen.
Over the years I have worked horses without blinders hooked to motorized balers, haybines, and combines, so I know they have the ability to accept these things given the right introductions. I don’t say this to suggest that with or without blindrs is better; I always point out to folks that there are also 100,000 horses working well with blinders too.
So here is the most recent connection I made in reading the newsletter and talking with other friends. Blinders contribute to straightness. If you would have asked me a little while back I probably couldn’t have told you what straightness was. A friend and horse trainer is working with a particularly challenging pair of Fiords. She was looking for straightness, and I asked her to explain to me what she was looking for.
That this straight forward movement can come from the horse, and not just me steering it. That this is connected to the animals acceptance and relaxing with what we are asking it to do. Part of creating a more pleasurable and easier animal to drive. Having a horse working in this “straight” fashion is a more natural, comfortable, movement for a horse, but the horse might forgo this in harness if it is unsure for what is being asked of it. I think a few years back, Carl Russell was explaining how to move horses over in tight spaces while keeping straight and I am sure I didn’t really get it then. But this is the same kind of straigthness we are trying to instill in the horse now. I want to put blinders on the Fiord ponies to see what it does.
At the same time I am starting a couple young mules at home and the differences between these animals and the Fiords is very interesting. The mules are very relaxed, and not concerned about what is going on behind them. They aren’t eyeing me, but are “watching where they are going”. That is what I am looking for in an animal without blinders.
These animals are different in other interesting ways as well. Again it took another trainer friend to put words to what I was thinking and doing. The Fiord horses she said are thinking while moving. Trying to interrupt their movement too much or too soon, will not help them get the picture you want. I have often said just let an animal keep moving, don’t rush to say “whoa” before they are ready to stop, but I thought hers was a really good description of what was going on for these horses.
The mules are just the opposite, they do their thinking while standing still. Rushing them to go, can have the same negative effects as trying to stop the Fiords. This is just a good reminder for me that they are all different and we need to be figuring them out while they are working to figure us out. Some might do well to have the blinders on for a while, and others might not need them. Donn
April 3, 2015 at 9:26 am #85301Lane Linnenkohl
ParticipantInteresting thoughts, Don. Gives me something to look for. Thank you.
April 3, 2015 at 9:34 am #85302Carl Russell
ModeratorDonn, I also read that piece by Bekah and Neal, and as always, found it interesting.
My take on blinders is a bit different. My comments are not meant to disparage any other interpretation, or to advocate one way or the other.
I have been accustoming a new pair of horses to my handling, and was covering some of my approach with my daughter, who has been studying with me, and the folks who are boarding them for me. I have been testing their responsiveness and trust through a series of pressure and release exercises.
As I was working on handling their feet, questions came up about doing foot-work myself versus hiring a farrier. My answer is that handling their feet builds fundamental communication and trust, so I will not give that over to someone else. Horses’ power is in their ability to run, so having them willingly give me their feet is a very big conduit to building trust.
The same thing can be attributed to blinders. Particularly with the sight capabilities of equine, putting blinders on them prevents them from having sight to nearly half of their curiosity zone. This makes them much more dependent on us for directing them. Of course animals that have not become trusting, or those given inconsistent direction, can be made even more uncomfortable, but the sensitive teamster can use this mechanism to reinforce their trustworthiness as guide.
Another component of this for me is that blinders actually interrupt the visual dependency that animals have, just like humans. Think about how innately we try to turn our heads to see what is behind us. Think about taking direction from someone behind you entirely through voice and point contact such as a bit. This level of dependency can really enhance the level of trust that the animal can develop for the teamster.
I recently had an experience with an intern who was trying to straighten out my horses by applying pressure to align them with a line of travel, then relaxing, only to find that they would again veer off that line. I do not look to my horses to make up even the simplest direction such as walking straight. My contact is constant, and I take full responsibility for a perpetual direction, so I cannot say that I have ever tried to use blinders for straightness.
Also by interrupting the sight, the animal must rely more heavily on other senses such as hearing and feel, which augments the lines of communication used by the teamster. This enhanced sensitivity is for me the greatest aspect of directing horses in work. As I am sensitive to the handicap that I create through blocking sight, I take more responsibility for compensating for the animal, both assisting and directing, building a dynamic momentary communication.
I am not saying that this cannot be done without blinders, but I offer that, from my experience, it is the most significant reason why blinders are a traditional component of the working relationship with horses.
Carl
April 3, 2015 at 11:57 am #85303Donn Hewes
KeymasterHi Carl, I didn’t mean to suggest that you had recommended blinders to contribute to straightness. Neal suggested that they might. I just felt that you introduced the concept of working the animal laterally while maintaining straightness, and it took a while for me to grasp what that meant. Recently, straightness, both as we direct animals and also as they carry themselves has been reintroduced to me by two very different sources and means. It gave me a good chance to think further on what it was and what it might contribute to my work; blinders or not. One of the things I have gained is another view of how a horse relaxes at work. Straightness can be another body indicator of what is going on for them.
I think your views on blinders are interesting and very clearly connected to your over all approach to this craft. I don’t have nearly as formed a reason why I prefer to work without blinders, but after about 10 years I know that I do. I wouldn’t hesitate to put blinders on a horse tomorrow if I felt it might add something to their training or our relationship.
April 3, 2015 at 5:12 pm #85304Carl Russell
ModeratorDonn, I knew what you meant. I was speaking mostly in reference to the article. I didn’t mean to look defensive…..
April 4, 2015 at 5:31 am #85306Donn Hewes
KeymasterIt must be my New York accent. I would never think of you as defensive. Interesting how there are two good discussions going on; one here and one on FB. I must say for those of us here at the Northland Sheep Dairy the itch to drive horses at work is getting pretty great! D
Well, I woke up to find I never hit send, which is good because I have given some thought to why I work without blinders. First, I don’t do it for the horse’s benefit. Horses can be scared by a dog with them or without them and we take responsibility for that both before it happens and when it happens (blinders or no).
I am constantly telling folks, “steer their head”. By this I mean watch their head like a hawk while moving. It tells you everything. of course you look everywhere and see everything, like seeing cars backing out of driveways while you are driving a car, but again focus on the animals or the teams heads. There are some great old photos of pulling contests or Carl pulling a big butt log up a slippery trail that illustrate this point for me. If you are a beginning teamster don’t just “look” at the head but learn to “focus” on it and what it is telling you. Are you having problems with horses that stop before you wanted them to or started before you wanted them to? Watch the head to see these things before they happen.
Their heads tell me where they are going next. What they are listening to, what they are looking at, what they are thinking, how hard they are trying, how comfortable or relaxed they are with what we are doing. I want to see mouth, eye, ear, nose, angle of the head and neck, muscles of the head and neck.
But again, this is for me; this is what I want to see. If you gave me the lines of a team of horses with blinders on I would take them were ever you want.
Another thing Neal and Beka mentioned that is worth repeating is using great care in taking of blinders from animals that have been wearing them. I have done it successfully and I have seen some older horses that just didn’t really come around to it. Give any of us a certain hat long enough and we will get used to it. The easiest way I know to tell how well the animal is accepting this change is “what are they looking at”. Working well without blinders an animal should be looking in front of them at the same things they would be looking at with blinders. If they are now watching you, or behind them, use caution as they are not really working the way you want them to.
April 4, 2015 at 7:07 am #85308Tender Soles
ParticipantI’m enjoying this discussion since I am experimenting with having one horse without blinders. I wanted to talk about Carl’s point about removing much of the horses’s curiosity zone. My off horse tends to try to check things out around him, especially wanting to make sure that the teamster is still there behind him. He displays this behavior a lot more when driven single and it at least appears that when he doesn’t know where I am, he wants to turn around and check.
This horse also joins up very easily, especially to me. I have repeatedly seen him display the tendency to want to turn around and join up when driving single. A lot of this behavior fades when he’s in better shape, but still he carries a much more anxious gait when he has blinders. I tried switching him to a blinderless bridle this fall and he immediately carried his head much lower and generally responded better to commands. I’m still wary of things behind him, but he seems to respond better to knowing what is behind him. I haven’t had any issues so far with driving him single or double without a blinder.
As Donn mentioned, I try to keep aware of where his head is and make sure he is paying attention where and when he needs to be. I am also planning on treating most implements as if they were new to him even though he’s been on them all with blinders on. FYI, his teammate still has blinders and does fine.
I had been of the thought that blinders were a better idea than not and I still generally am, but am becoming more comfortable with the notion that trust can be built with or without blinders.
April 4, 2015 at 10:05 am #85309Carl Russell
ModeratorI don’t disagree with any of these thoughts. For me however, knowing that blinders handicap the horse, gives me with my philosophy on working communication with horses a way to replace for them something I have taken away… deepening the interchange.
I am not saying you aren’t doing the same thing, just that I am purposefully aware of the handicap, as you are of the improved awareness. Both components compliment our personal styles.
I will however make one comment about the horse turning around. I have very forward horses that will do the exact same thing when I first try to demonstrate driving contact to novices. I believe it has less to do with them wanting to know what is behind them, or wanting to join up, and more to do with not being clear on what is being expected, loose guidance, and inconsistent contact.
It clearly is an interesting consideration. If they can see you, do they have better ability to determine what you want? that is probably true.
I personally only want them to be responding directly to my guidance, not trying to determine all the moving pieces. That way I have instantaneous and perpetual interaction with them. They wait for me to give them clear messages, and I constantly need to be attuned to that, but it also gives me an almost intuitive connection, thinking what I want and envisioning the movement as it happens.
Carl
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