[CharlyBonifaz]

lots of steam under your hat …
several solutions to (parts) of the problem
1. can you have bows bent from iron? can you enforce your plastic bows with iron or wooden bars?
2. Have you tried to offset the center of your yoke?
3. Has your near-steer a painful right shoulder or a bow-bunch there?
3. Any chance a second person could help you with correcting the habit of the near-steer?
4. Could you accept that the first team is a learning team, nothing else – a lot of mistakes are made on both sides and if it is (as it sounds) a difficult team (not really fitting well together) may be it was not meant to be to begin with? Cherish the many lessons they have taught you to improve working on your second team 😉 The experiences you have gained working with them … They showed you all the loopholes and then …
5. You could leave it as such and concentrate on your next team; you could still use the off-ox as a single if he is a reliable help; there are many situations where 2 is one too many …
6. will your younger team be equal in size? that might give you a chance to switch partners in the team or work 3 together; what I’m trying to get across is, this situation might give you options you have not realized yet 😉

Don’t get mad at anyone in the team, everybody does as seems fit; there will always be a situation where that is not enough …

[CharlyBonifaz]

any pictures?

[CharlyBonifaz]

d’accord, first method is easier

another way to cast an ox:

[CharlyBonifaz]

Congrats
and hey, yes, they need to be worked 😉

[CharlyBonifaz]

Mature pet-friendly steers that grow up without discipline and control are dangerous pure and simple, and this guy’s already running the show. Cattle never forget a learnt lesson, and he has learnt many times already that he can do just as he likes.

plus just for curious I’d like to know how he was castrated

I see the dangers especially for your visitors and guests. Cattle are very much bonded to their trainers – hard to take over without cues and especially when the ox has had his headway already.

In your situation I#d do exactly what you dan’t want to hear: give up on him

I’d start with a calf from scratch 😉

[CharlyBonifaz]

Perhaps attend an ox training workshop?

cattle are different to horses and will react differently; may be an idea to attend an ox training class to figure out the basics and go from there …

[CharlyBonifaz]

my solution to a similar problem (barely had we started with a new yoke -7inch- I found one of my oxen needing an 8inch bow): larger bow with larger diameter and I sanded the straight vertical holes in the yoke to enlarge them mainly sideways, so now they handle an 8inch bow by being wider on the lower end and still 7 inch on top of the yoke

[CharlyBonifaz]

your vet will be able to tell you if there’s metal in there (won’t work with aluminum), but there will be a problem with plastic, wood, etc.; yes, I agree, too much of an investment with unclear outcome, when talking surgery
http://www.itla.net/Longhorn_Information/index.cfm?con=plastic

[CharlyBonifaz]

have you checked Raisin for a chronic foreign body?

I’d go for number 2 and 3 of your suggestions, favouring number 2 …

[CharlyBonifaz]

hope you have treated number two as well …

 

[CharlyBonifaz]

welcome back; had been afraid you dropped off the plate …

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observe, treat only if stools become loose or bloody part increases or animal acts sick – which it doesn’t do right now following your description

[CharlyBonifaz]

Unfortunately the vet is quite expensive.

yes, but he/she should know best 🙂
how old are your oxen? beyond half a year coccidia shouldn’t bother them
virus usually is accompanied by (watery) diarrhea, plus temperature if it’s acute (which again I don’t think it is, given that it has been noticed before)
fresh blood? from the end of the intestines especially with a regular cow pie
why? hmm?
hemorrhoids? worms? sexual kinks?
deworm again would be on my list of priorities (after having him checked for worms)

no eprinex(ivermectin) is not a coccidostat.

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I’m never sure, who trains whom :confused:

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with lots of room in between them?

not enough room for them; with a new yoke and 10inches extra in between (plus the extra inches they already had in the old yoke) they walked straight today (first time trial in the new yoke)
thanks for the think tank

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