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Welcome Robenson,
I am glad to see that you are interested in the draft horse world there is plenty of good advice on here and quit a few people form your state on here so I think you can get some good info for your progect! Buy the way would you give us your age I am trying to get information on the younger induviduals on this site so if you dont mind I would apperciate it Lancek

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Rick Dont sell yourself short, Scott, Charl, And Jason have all comented in differant spots on this web site how they are allways turning away work! The thing you need to do is net work just like Charl sudjested and Joel had a good idea to talk to your local foresters and inform them that you are willing to help land owners with there prodgects. Most land owners will contact there local foresters frist when they have a prodgect local agraculture agents are allso a good resorce,when I moved here to mo all I had to do was contact these two differant agncys and I had a snote full of work! You can also check the american foresters assocation they are on the web and you can try looking for local foresters and land managers on the web allso! Hope this helps Lancek

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Ok scott,
I will try and get some pics of the top tomarow and put them in

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AMEN brother!!!
And as far as this type of construction is only being for the rich and faimos I dont agree fashened in a factory type fashion and put to geather as a kit type home it could be far less expensive than stick built construction!

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Carl I agree with your assesment that tree names have differant meaning in differant parts of the nation, the tree that we are refering too is a sweet locost but the folks in this area will reffer to them as black locost!
The tree that jason posted looks to be yellow locost to me and could be easly mistaken for walnut if you couldnt see the green heart wood,and didnt look at the leaves I have seen seasond log buyers do this often if they are hurrying through the woods!
And to the traveling woodsman Iwas only inplying that a picture of this type of bark would be very interesting to see thats what makes this site great is folks cane bring up stuff like this and share with everybody there interesting situations that come along
And one more thing carll maybe we are on a new spiceys here and scott just named it, it could very well be a cross between a cherry and a locost or as scott put a chocust :D:D:D

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Scott, I think we were on the same page but as I said before I did come in late and may have missed the section that you are talking about ! But what I did here was in relation to useing forwarders grapple skiders and slinging cable through the woods. And I am not trying to disscredit anybody here I am sure that these folks belive that they are trying to incoperate every body, the point that I am trying to make is the establisment in general feels that the way we opperate is joke and any proffit that we make is only a fluke, just as our friends here on the farming side of things are looked down upon by the large land owners with there big tractors and combines! Yes they can prduce much more that us but they are mostly in servetuid to the goverment. Just as most of the big boys in our buissnes are in servetuid to corperate america

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Well said jason I was on the tail end of the webenar yesterday that scott sudjested ! This webenar was supposed to be on wood astecteds after the havest , but everything was geared toward the high production mode and in fact some of the comments about horse logging were negetive { I did get to slip in a little comment about worst frist type of forestry though} And I will say it was compleatly egnored, and the reason I think this is because he made coments of two more post that were made after mine . But that enlightens mine and jasons point that the industry looks at us as a follie and not a reasonable form of timber management ! But you talk to the land owners and they feel that we are the best way to approch the management of there forest! So it is my train of thought that we should consentrate more on marketing our own value added products and services and let the big boys run them selfs inro the ground! The experiance that I have had in the past few weeks developing the sales of some of the timber that the regular industry has forsaken so that we can give value to any spices that we remove from our management plotts have given me hope for the future! I have had many of the contacts that I have made tell me that they would rather deal with a multitude of small venders that will acomadate there needs and offer good service than deal with over sized opperations that stiffel there attemps to service there customers!

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Well said carl, I couldnt agree with you more some of these guys get more stuck on theolagy than they do practacality! Most foresters and loggers in this area and in the midwest in general feel that high purduction is there only goal, and LO are duped into beleveing that this approch will benifit them the most till there woods are being slottered! I am working right know cleaning up a mess where a logger not only took the best trees but left everything but the venner logs in the woods. we have trees back there with 500 to 600 board feet left in the tops and talk about ruts I have steped into ruts left by the skidder that were up to my waist! Shamefull mess the land owner vowed to never have a tractor or skidder in the woods again! I am now trying to convince him to bring a dozer in to repair the trail damage so the horses wont get hurt Lancek

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Well That anwsers alot I was going by the amount of views posted and the votes and didnt look to promising! I have seen a lot of these efforts die on the vine because partisapation in the early stages were few and when the grupe realy got going then fingers were pointed and accusations about the few controling the magorety were levered by the ones who didnt partisapate in the frist place!

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Wow sounds like scotts had a real bad day! What did fri. the 13th follow you to monday Scott?

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Taylor I think thats a great idea, I am presantly trying to maket locost lumber, and jason has been trying to help with this! But combineing are thoughts and skills so that others can see that this is not a lone effort would greatly inhance our efforts Lancek
P S the best way to keep your two year old from tearing holes in the wall is to secure a theath into the floor with a screw and make it only long enough so that he can not reach the wall, attach to his waist line and bigo no more holes in the walls! Of course then you have to listen to the screaming maybe new plaster on the walls is not a bad thing!!!!:D:D:D

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Hey Biglug,
Love the 5th pic you look like your on the starting line of a drag race and ready to shift into high gear! And Carl it is hard to find a large platto of ground to plow there in VT:D

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well heres my 2 cents worth
TO PERMOUTE PROPER TECHNIQES OF DRAFT HORSE TECNOLOGY AND PROPER LOW INPACT FORESTRY MANAGEMENT! Lancek

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O come on scott Im sure you can find some weird trees up there in that beautiful country that you live in 😀

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