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Good work Mitch. It seems like ropes, chains and even harness can twisted up in ways we can’t even imagine – even worse when an animal is caught in the mix.

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Your site looks pretty nice – congrats.

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Welcome to DAPNet. Whereabouts in east TX are you located?

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I don’t think the loss of various “skills” is anything new. Probably been going on since the earliest humans. When a newer, easier method becomes available, it is usually embraced and the previous technology/skill falls by the wayside.

I’m not sure how one can market their operation – even if it’s a sole proprietorship horselogging or organic farming without “selling” the way they operate or how they do stuff – perhaps even why they do it a certain way etc. Isn’t that still pitching? Perhaps our claims aren’t hollow like those of the big guys but we’re in the same game IMO.

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I personally think that the sustainable term is as meaningless and empty as the ways corporations use it to market a product. It should be punted and replaced with something that addresses the impact – low input or low impact. Still suffers from some of the same problems as the term sustainability (or organic for that matter).

You are right Carl – nature is not static and we choose which stages of succession that we find suit us best.

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Revisiting the sustainable issue – my question is what length of time qualifies an endeavor as sustainable? 50 yrs? 100 yrs? 1000 yrs? In perpetuity is my take on the word UNLESS it comes with some sort of qualifier. Overpopulation resulting in the die off of much of a population does not meet my understanding of the term sustainable as the die off itself is the result of an unsustainable situation (overpopulation).

It’s hard to evaluate the current situation by looking at the past as the global population was significantly smaller pre-1900 (like 400 million then vs 7 billion now). All the “free lunches” have already been eaten, so to speak. Now we have no more places to go when we over use an area and that requires some serious creative thinking.

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Lane – I think it’s at Jay Bailey’s near Brattleboro, VT.

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Wow – ice cream is such an emotional topic;). IMHO – as in most issues, the black and white rarely exist in any large quantity. Thus we’re left with a huge grey continuum that is the reality. Not everyone is going to be able to or want to start a small farm but that doesn’t preclude them from wanting to support those ideals. So what do they do? What are their options in supporting those ideals with their consumer dollar? And how do they find out about those options? Usually requires marketing of some type to inform people of those options as well as a product and a place to buy said product. Remember, we just passed the 7 billion mark yesterday 🙁

I most certainly don’t fault B & J for not going “certified organic” as that is as big a scam as I’ve seen. More and more folks here are foregoing that label as they don’t need to have some inspector come and certify their practices for an exorbitant fee. They still employ those practices just don’t need someone telling them they’re doing it up to some standard or other … but that’s another story.

Regarding the whole concept of sustainability, it’s a great goal but like immortality or the perpetual motion machine, never achievable. That doesn’t mean that employing more sustainable practices isn’t a good thing but things (economies, weather, markets, life) are not static so we’re trying to reach a moving target.

I don’t buy Ben and Jerry’s because I too am a cheapskate but I don’t see any other ice cream company supporting the “Occupy” movement. Not sure I understand the Atrazine case. How/what are they using that promotes the use of atrazine? Buying milk from cows being fed alfalfa that was sprayed with atrazine?

Some of this (selling to a multinational corporation) reminds me of the complaints from locals here in Idaho about “them damn Californians” buying up land at inflated prices. These same guys are the ones selling ground at inflated prices to “them damn Californians” when they’re ready to retire.

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Here’s a pic of a ground drive NI 17. http://www.liveauctioneers.com/item/5999034

A New Idea advertisement from 1940 indicates that the Model 10 manure spreader had a boosted load capacity, up to 65-70 bushels, because of these flared extensions on the side of the manure spreader. To prevent buildup and choking of the manure load at the back of the spreader as the manure was being spread, New Idea designed the Model 10 with flared sides extending all the way to the rear of the spreader. This meant that the top beater on the Model 10 had to be wider than the bottom beater. This was another variation from the design of the Model 8 spreader.

Last but not least – ….MackNair’s

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@Uncle Joe 29747 wrote:

Here is a photo of a couple of work horses, each put to a separate capstan, leveraging a house down a house in 1908 San Francisco that we published in a book in the 1990s called Working Horses that has since gone out of print. Don’t know if this is the photo you were thinking of or not, Geoff.

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That could be the house I’m thinking of but the photo was from a different perspective I think – closer.

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I know I’ve seen pictures of buildings being moved with horses – one that comes to mind is a 2 story Victorian styled house all blocked up and on some sort of roller setup but the teams were pulling with some sort of anchor winch between them and the load (like a capstan? winch). I couldn’t figure out how the winch anchored to ground …. and it was on some sort of hill, maybe in Chicago or San Francisco.

I think the distance might not be the challenge (rest more often, switch out teams etc) as much as “finessing” it into the final resting place etc.

This is a MUST VIDEO! Make sure it’s on tape (or a couple of them). Perhaps Uncle Joe from RH would be interested.

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Hello Marie! I have a similar tedder I used this year and it worked well with a bit longer hay. I used a team on mine and it seemed to be almost no effort for them – probably more suited to one horse. Unfortunately, I broke/chipped one of the cogs that engages the drive so now I have to figure out how to fix it. I have a picture of my tedding operation in the albums here – called “Red and Ranger Tedding” I think.

Nice you could have a video! And welcome to DAPNet.

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I think it’s imperative to not only make sure they can move the load but stop it as well. Whether it’s braking on a down slope or holding on an upslope make sure the load and gravity don’t take over.

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Scott – we should highlight the FREE aspect of this and other webinars. Almost can’t go wrong there.

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Wow Jen – reconnoiter?! I’m impressed :o. I too have horses tall enough to generate a solar eclipse and do as Jen mentions but also drop back further behind the team to see ahead once in awhile. Too close will block your view in front pretty easily.

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