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near horse;16951 wrote:

how difficult would it be for a team to pull a single disc over intact sod/vegetated ground to start breaking it down? Most pics you see are 3 or 4 abreast but are working in plowed ground. If you remember the old JD plowing diagrams – disc first, then plow, then disc again.

Generally the pull will be related to how much, how far and how fast soil is displaced. So while a low gang angle will move nearly as much soil as a greater gang angle it is not moving it as fast or as far so less force is required. And at a given depth a consolidated soil will require breaking and fracturing in addition to moving so undisturbed ground will be more than tilled ground. But in usual practice the low weight of single gang disks limits depth penetration and draft. On sod the penetration and soil movement will generally be quite low although in wet ground (too wet for tillage) that might not be the case. Mostly I would expect lower disk draft on sod than in tilled soil, with vegetative ground such as winter wheat in the spring or recently planted cover crops it is hard to tell, maybe not much different from tilled ground.

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Donn: I will take another look at that article, I skimmed through it quickly the first time and have not had a chance to revisit it. I did think that it was a little different take on training than you usually see. I think my impression was that there is value in letting new and learning teamsters see that training is not always as clean and problem-free as we are sometimes led to believe. Perhaps beginners who are struggling with some training issues find some comfort and encouragement in seeing that experienced folks have to deal with issues as well. I might change my opinion after the re-read.

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I do not bend my own bows but I can not think of a reason why the bark would prevent the wood from splitting out on the outside radius when bending. The purpose of the band with ends is to prevent the fibers from sliding so far that they separate and split.

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Carl: I was looking this over again and calculated that the butt log was close to 2 tons. Nice job wrestling that one out! Can you describe the block you use, 2 part line?

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That link is not working for me.

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Not around me, almost all Holsteins although the graziers are interested in smaller framed animals and have an interest in cross-breeding so their may be some interest. There may be a few herds in other states such as PA., WI or NY that seem to have more smaller herds and a tradition of showing purebred cattle. I wouldn’t mind getting a pair if I could find some nice ones.

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John: You got any Ayrshire dairy cattle up your way?

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A tank would add quite a bit of weight. From my work I know that for pasture restoration the new seedlings will become established in the soil loosened by the aeration tines. And cover crops at least really like the nutrient kick that manure provides. Does it pull hard?

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Ich muss an es arbeiten. Anne gab mir ein Buch (auf Deutsch) über die Tristen Heusysteme letztes Jahr, übersetzt Elke die loggenentwurfsnachricht, die ich in Deutschen schrieb und meinen Freund Peter Herold mir einer Kopie seines neuen Entwurfspferdenmanuskriptes gab.

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You tool would improve infiltration and loosen soil for better seed to soil contact. We would be seeding overseeding red clover or ladino clover right about now and it would work great for that. How deep do the tines run?

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John: Looks good. Can you change the gang angle if you want to do a little more soil loosening? What are you seeding with it? How often do you go over your pastures with it?

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Look great! Are they Pinzgauer? Ich mochte mein Deutsch war so gut wie dein Englisch.

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Stable-Man;15553 wrote:

I read somewhere a horse could put out 27 horsepower, but I don’t know how a horse compares with an ox. If that’s true 15hp per ox seems low.

There are times when it is best to not believe everything you read. This might be one of those times.

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Good discussion, friends.

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Dale: Did you run this by Tillers? If there are any around Dick or Dulcy would likely know.

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